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Good and bad profit, & how they define your future

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After Kinko’s was bought from Paul Orfalea in 2000 by FedEx, Kinko’s went from a paragon of “good profit” to a great example of “bad profit”. Orfalea said "the Kinko’s he created “has been gone for a very long time.”

One small but significant change FedEx made was to change the payment process for copies from good profit to bad profit. GoDaddy has the same “bad profit” disease.

In Orfalea’s Kinko’s, you grabbed a copy key, plugged it into a copier, made 10 copies and went to the counter to pay. If a copy or two was bad, they subtracted it at check-out from the total before charging you. The copies were high-priced, but the service was good, flexible, and customer-focused. I came back regularly to let Kinko’s make more “good profit” from me.

FedEx had a better idea that made me stop coming back. The FedEx Card. Here’s a review from a Kinko’s consumer written on www.yelp.com:

“All I had to do was make two copies and fax it…
but noooooooooooooooooooooo, it can’t be THAT easy. what happened to the old way at kinko’s when you used to walk in and grab the copy key counter and walk to your copy machine make copies…”

Now you have to buy credits on one of their payment cards, or use your credit card – they prefer and push the payment card option, because they are literally banking on:
- you not using all the credits, and making huge interest off the money you have given them.
- a significant minority of people losing or tossing the card before spending it to zero (like a gift card, the amounts that go unspent are staggering – pure profit).
- not wanting to stand in line to get a few pennies put back on your payment or credit card for a bad copy.

It’s all bad profit.

GoDaddy gives you “free privacy” when you buy five or more domains. No where on their website does it say “free privacy until you renew, then we’ll charge you.” No modifier anywhere – just “free privacy”: “Register or Transfer five domain names or more and get FREE PRIVACY – http://bit.ly/IHLdQY . No fine print anywhere on their website. If you don’t catch it when checking out, you’re paying for “free privacy” until you catch it on your credit card a couple years later. How many millions of dollars in bad profit have they made on this? I talked to customer "service and they actually said, “You know it will be charged on renewal because the statement doesn’t say it won’t.” How many lawyers did that take to come up with?

The Kinko’s payment card system and “free privacy” GoDaddy charges for probably bring millions in short-term profits to them. But it’s “Bad Profit”. Good profit makes me glad to come back and spend more money. Bad profit makes me know that I’ve been had up front and makes me want to find another solution as quickly as I can. I never want to go back if I can help it.

Nordstrom’s is famous for good profit. They charge more than others, but focus on making sure the customer is completely satisfied. And people happily go back and spend more money there then they would somewhere else, because they know Nordstrom’s really means it – the customer comes first.

Kinko’s and GoDaddy aren’t alone in bad profit. Lots of companies do everything they can to extract as much money from you as soon as they can, without regard for any future relationship. Blockbuster made a lot of bad profit on late fees until Netflix came along and didn’t charge late fees. Blockbuster took it on the chin.

And then there’s the airlines.

Not only are they charging for you to check a bag, without telling you, they are charging you both ways. There is nothing on the websites or in their marketing info that makes it clear that you are going to pay $100 for your golf clubs leaving home, and another $100 coming home. They are in survival mode, so trying to create long term relationships where people are glad to spend money with them doesn’t enter into their equation right now. But it’s a big contributor to the downward spiral of the industry. Hats off to Southwest for being the exception so far.

The bigger questions, though:

  1. Is there any bad profit in the way you work with your customers? Are you getting every penny you can from them up front without regard for building a long term relationship that could bring you profits for years to come?
  2. Is your offering built on good profit? Are you making people want to come back by treating them well up front and NOT taking every penny available?

Don’t be GoDaddy or FedEx. Create a business around good profit and customers will bring their friends the next time. Create one around bad profit and they will ask their friends for an alternative solution.



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Sheila Siffermann

07/31/08

Cool article, things you don’t really think about, but are VITAL to your business. I am going to send this article to my cohorts and analyze our new company to make sure that we A. are not currently doing that and B. that we don’t fall into that mess. :) I would rather be like Nordstrom any day. There are a few companies are raising the bar, FINALLY. Zappos is a great example of good profit. Thanks!!


Cynthia Clinton

07/31/08

Good article. You make some excellent points. I have conversations like this with businesses all the time. When I get bad service, I sent them a Business 101 letter about why they just lost my business and explain to them that building a business ought to be all about building a community. Take care of your community and it’ll take care of you. But it’s like a piggy bank… there’s nothing to take out unless you’ve first put something in.

In my business-building model, I give to prospective customers, so they can get a sense of doing business with me before I ever ask them to spend a dime. I never want my clients to feel that I have taken from them without fairly giving in return.


Another bad profit is “service companies” that do not have a live person answering the phone. If I cannot reach them to give them my money, what are the chances that I will be able to reach them if I have a problem after the service. If a company does not answer the phone I will call someone else. I want people that are available, then I will be happy to pay them.


Brad Podhajsky

08/15/08

Good article Chuck. Looking forward to more!


Emile Paradis

09/15/08

A good summary of what’s happening to us every day in the market place. This phenomenon of “bad profit” seems to be cropping up more and more, often like a pebble in your shoe: it takes awhile to recognize what’s bothering you.

It’s always a challenge to know how generous you can afford to be but if you see marketing and customer service as a continuum, then the equation is easier to understand. Good post!




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